Internet censorship Options

[deathflamer]

http://nocleanfeed.com/

Both the cost and the speed reduction, not to mention the ethical implications, make me completely against this.
Trying to deploy hardware filters on EVERY isp for ALL traffic would make the network crawl and cost ALOT to deploy.

Aswell as the destruction of freedom of speech, essentialy limmiting what you can/can't view even if it is 'legal' it doesn't adhere to what they deem 'proper'.

Either way, it's a load of crap.

[GrEmLiN]

man thats a load of concocted bullshit if ive ever seen it just another way to spend our millions of tax payers dollers thats a cover to spend our money on shit they dont want us to know about...



It would only cost a few hundred thousand for a single ISP to place a filter and theres only really 35 ISP's in australia wheres the so called billions getting spent ( government privilidges and defence secret jobs )

[deathflamer]

Actually. It'd cost *alot* more considering the links are just so damn massive, the filter equipment costs a small fortune. Even though theres 35 isp's alot of them don't own their own network so you'd still end up with the big players having to roll out massive filters. (Read Bigpond/Internode/Optus).

[GrEmLiN]

true true thanks for the more info the help me understand that ISP mainly run off the big players servers i totally forgot about all that lmao

[deathflamer]

Yeah, and what do you think will happen when they say, ok to run at current network speed we'll need to spend 'XXBillion'.... FUCK THAT less use less filters to save costs and run at slower speed (even though they'd still be selling you ADSL2+/Cable/etc). Which defeats the purpose entirely.

Either way it's homosexual and unneeded.

[GrEmLiN]

agreed

[Daemo]

Yeah, and what do you think will happen when they say, ok to run at current network speed we'll need to spend 'XXBillion'.... FUCK THAT less use less filters to save costs and run at slower speed (even though they'd still be selling you ADSL2+/Cable/etc). Which defeats the purpose entirely.

i dont know about content filters but ive seen firewalls that do all the fancy SPI stuff that work fine up to about 60-80Mbit.

i highly doubt youd have a connection that fast at home.

[deathflamer]

I'm not talking about home filters, i'm talking about ISP's actually filtering the internet. Not a small little firewall router that would be just installed at home.

[Daemo]

I'm not talking about home filters, i'm talking about ISP's actually filtering the internet. Not a small little firewall router that would be just installed at home.

you mean like TPG and their proxies?
technicaly it is already being done.

[deathflamer]

Sort of. But more or less, but thats also why TPG is a pile of shit.

[Gamma]

yes its BS and no i dont think it would ever happen not only because of obvious basic human right it denies but also because for the last 12-18 months i know as a matter of fact that Telstra's Fibre Subbies have been working on making the Infrastructure in Melbourne Fibre all the way to the node (for those that didnt know the node is that little black box that hangs from your roof)

so unless there speeding our connections up before the But-Bleed us with Filters

[Kensai]

Once isp filters go in they can claim there is no difference to connection speed.

Take for example, if you are connected at 8000kbps, thats what they will claim, even if their failters are killing your pings and destroying download speeds. their claims will be based on how fast YOU are plugged directly to THEM.

And relying on the principles of basic human decency is athe dumbest single idea ive seen posted in some time. Since when have humans been reliable in regards to common decency? Murder wouldn't be a crime if nobody had ever done it.

Is TV cencsored? Yes. Is Pay TV Censored? Yes, you see the logical flow on from this? Overzealous parents and lawmakers are too busy with their heads up their own asses trying to "save" us and amke a name for themselves to consider the concept of common sense, and individual rights.

Ethical implication are a tricky one too. Ethics is the largest grey area known to man, and what your values attitudes and beliefs may cause you to interpret as wrong, may be interpreted as right by another. This is why only stupid people claim that something is outright unethical without qualifying it a personal opinion and being able to comprehensively argue WHY it so.

For instance, the question of taking one life to save three others, may be acceptable to some, but not to others. You cannot say it is outright unethical, but you can say that you believe it is unethical.

[tricky]

*cough* tunnel http to overseas box *cough*

I wouldn't mind the filtering along as it what an op in service rather then op out, i shouldn't need to request my service to be not filtered it shouldn't be by default.

[Daemo]

i heard tell that some little kid was able to bypass the filter fairly simply.
filtering is good if its done properly and in house service.. so like. a web proxy for a business that filters out porn for the staff.. but filtering on an ISP/national level is insane

[deathflamer]

but also because for the last 12-18 months i know as a matter of fact that Telstra's Fibre Subbies have been working on making the Infrastructure in Melbourne Fibre all the way to the node (for those that didnt know the node is that little black box that hangs from your roof)

Actually, a node is either your local exchange, or a local sub-exchange/node point. FTTN is part of this, and even though the government hasn't aproved/finalised it (i think) telstra is still updating their infrastructure to get ready for it. Fiber to exchanges or nodes isn't really a new practice. It relies on the identical (almost) philopsophy of distribution to nodes as DOCSIS (but not to individual users).

*cough* tunnel http to overseas box *cough*

I wouldn't mind the filtering along as it what an op in service rather then op out, i shouldn't need to request my service to be not filtered it shouldn't be by default.

Yeah but then you have to pay for a box, which isn't much, but why should you have to? Then bullshit pings too! But agreed, opt in, not out.

i heard tell that some little kid was able to bypass the filter fairly simply.
filtering is good if its done properly and in house service.. so like. a web proxy for a business that filters out porn for the staff.. but filtering on an ISP/national level is insane

That was basicly a script kidding loggining in as admin and putting a dummy file in as the filter... Not really genius. Designed to stop kids with locked down accounts... Not the best soulution. same as net nanny etc.

[tricky]

So much for the opt-out option anyway, apparently there won't be one

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/...76;fp;16;fpid;0

[Zwan]

Well just updating this old crusty thread: http://www.dbcde.gov.au/communications_for...ring_live_pilot

It is in trial stage now, im thinking of signing my wireless net onto it just to see the affects and report back to bwl and whirlpool.


50bucks 4chan gets filtered.

[crenn]

As far as I know, only iiNet will be doing it.

[Daemo]

$50 says the pilot wont be anywhere near as locked down as the final product.